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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-11, 15:25

after the failure of 2080, we're creating a new one.

Raja and I are fleshing it out, but here's some stuff.

It will be set in the future, probably about 50 years later. global warming and pollution and stuff will have caused society's advancement to be stunted somewhat. Oil has run dry, and nuclear power is big.

There will be three main movements, taking place in a Europe which is hemogenizing, with a more powerful EU, an Expanded Russia, etc.

The movements are:
"Green" eviormentalism, eco-terrorism, taken to the extreme.
Genetic Fascism (I wanna lead this)
Anarchism?


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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-11, 15:51

Genetic Fascism:

Legistlation was passed, early in the 21st century, making it illegal to use government funds for the purposes of genetic engineering, which, in an indrect way, gave rise to all of this.

A European consortium named Biosyn gained a monopoly on genetic engineering, through shrewd commerce practices, and began experiments, conducted secretly at first, the openly. Biosyn offered a miracle cure to HIV/AIDS, and thus gained a large deal of popular support, and became quite rich, quite quickly.

Then, they cured most forms of cancer, forever ending most predjudice against genetic engineering. Soon, however, the branched off into less ethical areas. They quickly learned how to create more intelligent children, faster children, children with better reflexes, pets that wouldn't die for a long time.

The advent of better genetic technology lead Biosyn to begin gaining more and more influence in Europe. The wealthy could afford perfect children, and with the help of a powerful lobby, Biosyn's powers became almost totally unregulated.

However, a major gap soon emerged. Genetics was far too expensive for widespread use, and thus, 15% of the population became far superior to the classes below them. Gradually, this lead to resentment, and then it's own branch of pseudo-fascism developed, slowly, with the priviliged elite feeling they should rule over the lower, unworthly classes, which should be eliminated, also through the use of genetics.

This treatment gradually got cheaper, but never cheap enough for the poor muslim and eastern immagrants, nor the majority of the population. Genetic improvement would always remain segragated.
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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Elephant Flotilla on 2008-08-11, 16:25

Meh, can't we have a different topic? Can we have a Medieval story of some type to supplant the obvious Death of the Levant Game?

Also, there aren't enough movements, and some are just gay. Eco-terrorists? Hippies with guns? I had no idea that was possible even in an over active imagination! Razz
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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-11, 16:35

It's not done yet. Why don't you wait and see what it turns into, rather than insulting it based on your limited view of the story so far?
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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-08-11, 16:40

@ ellies well, why don't you come up with your own storyline and try to get people interested?

and come up with your own bloody movements, these aren't written in stone. it's in the future, with some present-day trends taken to extremes, like 'tree huggers' using bombs to carry out their political aims. and some people do actually think that the rights of human beings should be subordinated to those of the environment, so it's not actually that far-fetched.

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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-11, 17:04

And genetic engineering might very well lead to such fascism...
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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Elephant Flotilla on 2008-08-11, 17:31

I was sarcastic about calling it gay. I just can't take eco-nuts with guns seriously. classic laugh

I'll introduce a fanatically religious Catholic faction, which aims at restoring Papal power, and creating theocracies across Europe. I like the feel of a faction that isn't necessarily good or evil, but a mix. They are a faction that has righteous aims, but the means with which they wish to achieve them... aren't very gentle, or benevolent.
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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-11, 17:45

wha? erm... let's not...
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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-08-11, 18:00

okay, well me and alexios already have quite a well developed storyline, and there are certain criteria for the themes involved that have to be discussed with all parties; though a religious one is certainly intriguing.

btw, i think it's important to point out that this story isn't faction-based like TGW or 2080, but instead involves characters and organizations interacting and exploring a world that seems to be gradually moving toward an inescapable and explosive climax. the overall basis, is to explore certain present-day themes and carry them forward into the future (and to some extent 'extremize' and dramaticize them) to see a possible future world.

it will be regionally based, instead of global, and there will be more emphasis on characters, setting, (ironic) social commentary, and exploring controversial themes instead of on competing 'factions'. although there will be considerable freedom to write about minor characters that just experience the events and their region - if you don't wish to have an ongoing and important character - major themes should be discussed with others before being introduced. to some extent, we're taking what are 'good' and 'hip' causes right now, and carrying them to extreme and logical conclusions and seeing what kind of world that produces (example: environmental extremists).

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Post by Volksie on 2008-08-11, 23:23

To be fair, TGW stopped being faction based very quickly and was all about single character interaction.
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-08-12, 01:12

but don't they interact within their various capacities as representatives of different factions? or have all notions of factions fighting eachother been removed?


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Post by sipahioftheporte on 2008-08-12, 01:29

I may participate in this... but now I must post for the Revival Smile
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Post by Volksie on 2008-08-12, 01:55

Each character comes from a certain faction but often they don't support it. My character is originally Megaran and is working for Athens. Sel's character legged it from his native Argos before the end of his first post. Alex's character killed half of his faction simply to make it his faction.

The truth of the matter - the factions simply represent the setting around the characters. The point system an unneccessary nod of appreciation to the story's foundation.
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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-12, 06:09

Yeah, there is the matter of Demetrios, the guy who managed to pretty much destroy the Athenian faction in one fell swoop, just so he could control it...
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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Kasey on 2008-08-12, 13:39

hmmm....sounds intresting, specially the more character driven plot.

Just one point, I'm not sure anarchism would work. I like the other two power groups though, and would cloning be anyway involved in Genetic facism? It seems like a logical next step to me.
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-08-12, 13:54

it might, eventually and in some limited form (there will not be cloning factories churning out legions of uber-men - for instance), but for the moment it's primarily focused on genetic modification.

also, alexios says that Biosyn 'cured' HIV/AIDS and cancer and a host of other diseases, but actually what they did was genetic modification of the human embryo so that it would develop a resistance against them. so it wasn't so much that they 'cured' it, but that they offered services to genetically modify people to be resistant to them.

and the other major theme wasn't so much anarchism, but 'democratic' governments using the threat of terrorism and economic decline to curtail freedoms and restrict peoples rights - with a few of them ultimately falling to totalitarian regimes.

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Re: New group story - Discussion Thread

Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-12, 14:20

anarchism was just something I wrote down, it's not final, and should probably be removed.
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Post by Kasey on 2008-08-12, 14:26

also, i think this would work best with one "super-state" (Genetic Facism imo)and most of the others are independant players, or are trying to unite against the super state, for example, the Greens shouldnt have a country, they should just be a movement.
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-08-12, 14:31

oh, by the way, i don't think oil should have run dry in 2050. firstly, because that's not going to happen, if you want to incorporate something about the effects of massive spikes in oil prices that's something different; but it wont have run out.

secondly, 'peak oil' is a popular theme right now, and most of the things in this story are against popular trends that are occurring right now; so it'd be more topical to show a world where peak oil never occurred, but still have the effects of increasing oil prices - for whatever reason.

another theme that's been ignored, is that of global warming. i think that it should happen to some extent, but it shouldn't be anywhere near as catastrophic as predicted. however, we can have some major boondoggle projects like a sea-wall around London, for instance.

also, there should have been - sometime before the story starts - some type of really major islamist terrorist attack, which shakes things up considerably.

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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-12, 14:33

Raja, get on MSN, please.
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Post by sipahioftheporte on 2008-08-12, 14:36

I'll lead the mad cyborgs!! Razz
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-08-12, 14:41

@kasey - the way it stands now, most of europe has become united - to a greater or lesser extent - by a federated European Union. seperate states still maintain their independence within the Union, but there the governmental apparatus and reach of the Union is far more developed than it is currently. Germany and France are still somewhat resentful of a decline in influence, but they retain the right to veto Parliamentary and Presidential decisions after holding time consuming and expensive national referendums - thus the EU government frequently finds itself bogged down with petty squabbling on top of the overall inefficiencies of bureaucratic minutae.

that is the 'super-state' wherein this story takes place. it isn't facist at the start, however later on it becomes a vehicle by which facism is spread. during the course of the story a couple of countries are expected to be expelled from the EU.

Biosyn has helped create an environment for genetic facism to flourish, but it is a tool and fundraiser of the facist movement, not it's controller. we want to avoid the cliche of 'evil corporation tries to take over world', so facism is still a distinctly political movement.

and the movements don't control countries, these organizations aren't 'factions' in the traditional sense, that compete against eachother for dominance, they simply exist and interact with the characters, the state, and the other organizations. these themes wont each have a national representation, MotherEarth(TM) for instance is hardly known about at the beginning of the story, and in fact it's revealed through the character of a journalist and a young disillusioned convert, as opposed to having it's story told from the perspective of an all-knowing leader.

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Post by Kasey on 2008-08-12, 14:45

sounds like a good idea.
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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-12, 14:48

and my main character is a cynical mid-level operative in a black-ops style thing.
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Post by sipahioftheporte on 2008-08-12, 15:01

what about cyborgs?
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-08-12, 15:07

i don't think they'll make an appearance...

so far my characters are a british journalist and a disillusioned french twenty-something who falls in with MotherEarth(TM). the journalist hasn't been genetically modified and the french guy has had the 'basic package'.

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Post by sipahioftheporte on 2008-08-12, 15:12

why not cyborgs?! I can very well be a robot in japan! Razz
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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-12, 15:36

Btw, the story is all building to an explosive and inevitable climax:

The fascists control the EU, and have moved the vast majority of undesireables into ghettos. Tension leads to the ghettos revolting and troops being sent in to quell the tensions. It is left hanging, but Biosyn is planning a new, improved superhuman gene package, which will revolutionize humanity forever, thus showing that humanity as we know it will be destroyed if the rebels do not succeed.

The characters in this story will operate within the framework of the events. It shouldn't be possible for these characters to influence the course of history greatly, either. The general history is set in stone, but the character's lives and stories are not. This is where the bulk of the story will come from.
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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-08-12, 15:47

The story will take place over about a year, because the events have already begun as the story begins, and a short timeframe will help build the sense of inevitablity - one person cannot change what is happening now, it's too late.
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-08-12, 16:02

well, that's not the whole climax, but part of what's been worked out so far Very Happy

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