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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-14, 04:41

Here is it. Anything relating to the story but not part of the story can be posted here.

Raja, re-post your map hee, please.
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Post by RedAkbar on 2008-02-14, 05:02

Okay, I moved the story posts to the proper thread. Some formatting needs to be done to some of the posts, but I'll get to it as soon as the line breaks between posts have been added. It's just too confusing at the moment.
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-02-14, 05:04

k, alexios, here they are:




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Re: 2080 Discussion thread

Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-14, 14:02

Areaaa - Alexi Smirnov, Corp Commander
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Post by Seleukos of Olympia on 2008-02-14, 14:08

Good post Aeraaaa! You're really fleshing out that command. You will find that Carl Hafner, the defense minister, is very understanding of Aeropoulos' concerns, but other elements in the government (and the lobbies) have different priorities. Don't expect much in terms of reinforcements for a while...

Hehe, the HQ in Pindos... I should have expected that with your name...
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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-14, 14:18

Yeah, Areaaa, I loved your post... really gave a feel for being in command of an army group, and what the E.U. situation is.

Bob, I'm letting you do the next Alexi/Lambert post.
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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-16, 09:38

Raja, Bob, everybody, get your lazy asses over here and start posting Exclamation
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Re: 2080 Discussion thread

Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-02-19, 05:42

i was wondering...about this missile umbrella. presumably it's under construction, so you're setting up SAM sites etc all over the place and apparently it'll be finished in May and the EU air force will be pretty much useless.

now, why doesn't sel just start directing air and missile attacks against these sites?? surely they will at least delay it's construction and deployment.

secondly, how high does this umbrella extend?? surely it's a low/medium-altitude umbrella, with strategic bombers and spy planes able to pass over it?? thus the russian offensives still wont be invulnerable to aerial attack, they'll simply have a defence shield against low/medium level attacks...right??

also, it'd be nice if someone could come up w/ an actual major operation to initiate some kind of ground battle, since the just constant grinding forward is a little odd/boring (you'd have thought that they'd have come up w/ a more advanced method of warfare - or at least one that wasn't so costly -it's not as if these states actually do have VAST resources to just throw away on the war - i mean murmansk sunset is a terrorist organization i don't see why it can't continue to use terror and guerrila tactics...)

ps. i promise i will post tomorrow Smile research takes awhile since i have very little in-depth knowledge of islamic/arabic culture and customs.

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Re: 2080 Discussion thread

Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-19, 06:02

Well, the missile umbrella is self-supporting. As each new battery is built, it gets harder to remove each construction site. And, the reason that it hasn't been destroyed is quite obvious - Russia still has a air force, and major numerical superiority against the the E.U.

The Missile umbrella does not only consist of SAM missiles,(or their furturistic counterparts) which are enough to nearly compeletely stop any air attack into their radius (like the Egyptian missile umbrella during the Yom Kippur war.) possess land bombardment capabilities, and is basically a way to ensure Murmansk Sunset's permenant hold on Eastern Europe (however, if you look at the radius, you see it is a poor offensive weapon, as it extends barely beyond what the Russians expect to gain in groud.)

As for widespread operations, Sel is launching one in the north, towards occupied Finland.

These states do - Murmansk Sunset and the E.U. are the two world superpowers, and even though millions have died, it has been over the course of decades of occupation, and more recently, with Russia now a part of Murmansk Sunset, a massive military sweep just happened. From occupying all of Eastern Europe (minus Russia and the Baltic states), to being thrown back to pre-war borders in a matter of weeks. Now, the condition on the ground has stabilized.

Murmansk Sunset is no longer a terrorist organization. It is a legitimate nation, with all the trappings of nationhood. The terrorists are now either soldiers in an irregular battalion, or the leaders are corp commanders or generals.

That, and the terrorism is what devastated Eastern Europe. Saratov does not want the land to be laid waste to further.
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Re: 2080 Discussion thread

Post by RedAkbar on 2008-02-19, 12:43

Oh lawd, I'm trying to come up with a post, but its not working. The creative juices have dried up it seems. Persevere, Red. Persevere. You can do this...

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Post by Seleukos of Olympia on 2008-02-19, 13:40

Well done, Akbar! It's not easy writing without juices.

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Post by RedAkbar on 2008-02-19, 13:44

That was a struggle, for some reason. It doesn't flow. It doesn't... flow...

*breaks down and cries for approx 1 second*

Now, any suggestions for what I can do with the PSSA? Or should I just wing it like I always do?
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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-19, 13:50

Wing it, start a war against some drug lords, kill some innocents.

I gave you some ideas with the whole class struggle thing, how rich westerners have become the elite of South America, much to the anger of the locals.
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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-19, 13:53

By teh way, nice post.
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Post by RedAkbar on 2008-02-19, 13:54

Thanks. I've got some ideas forming already, though the next thing I write will be for the Writing Competition. And then TGW. Or vice versa, depending on my mood.
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Post by Seleukos of Olympia on 2008-02-19, 13:57

The EU is also cozying up to the PSSA, despite its social situation, to gain a stable American market for its manufactured goods and a potential ally against the UN in case Quebec is threatened.

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Post by RedAkbar on 2008-02-19, 13:58

Okay, I'll keep that in mind, Sel.
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Re: 2080 Discussion thread

Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-02-19, 18:48

That, and the terrorism is what devastated Eastern Europe. Saratov does not want the land to be laid waste to further.

errr, i see...and fighting a massive conventional battle over the same ground is somehow less destructive??

btw, i really enjoyed your post roosies! Smile

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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-20, 04:07

Less so. And usually quicker. Also, that's what the Russian army was prepared to fight.
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-02-20, 08:08

Okay, just posted my first EVER post ... i did it while suffering from extreme sleep deprivation so bear with me Smile

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Post by Seleukos of Olympia on 2008-02-20, 08:19

Excellent post! We will soon meet in Malta!

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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-20, 15:00

Aye - nice post.
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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-02-20, 15:15

thanks popes!

oh yeah, although Mustafa II has an obscenely long name (Amir al-MuíMinin abu Hakim Mustafa II 'Nasir al-Dawla' al-Haidar ibn Bahir al-Jumah), from now on you should just call him Nasir al-Dawla Smile w/ Amir al-MuíMinin if you want to use his title.

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Post by Seleukos of Olympia on 2008-02-20, 17:05

I've been thinking about the weapons at the EU's disposal, and I thought up a strategic bomber. It's available in very limited numbers, but still say so if you think it's too advanced for our setting.

BAe Vulture


The concept behind the BAe Vulture was first formulated in the mid 2040s, when the waning of the U.S.A. left a power vacuum that the EU was called upon to fill. After a long land war in Eastern Europe that ended in a conventional European victory but also a surge of insurgent terrorism, the EU sought to extend its influence across the world with a small but effective navy, supported by strategic bombers that could take off from European soil.

The first project in that direction was the BAe Vigilant. Utilizing scramjet technology, it set speed and altitude records for a strategic bomber that hadnít been reached since the American XB-70 Valkyrie, almost a hundred years earlier. However, by the time it was nearing prototype phase the requirements were altered. The next strategic bomber would have to be able to reach anyplace on the planet without refueling in air, and remain at an altitude that rendered it virtually immune to enemy defenses. From there it would disperse smart bombs that would be guided to their targets through telescopic targeting by the bomber during the day, or by lower altitude or ground based laser spotters during the night. That project materialized into the BAe Vulture, while the Vigilant only produced three prototypes which were used to test technologies for the, quite larger, Vultures.

The Vulture was designed as a sub-orbital bomber. Conventional turbofan propulsion was used for lower altitude flight, which was supplemented with scramjet engines at higher altitudes and velocities. Disposable external rocket boosters served to propel the Vulture to sub-orbital heights, giving its pilots the designation of astronauts. The first Vulture entered service in 2062 and a total of 20 were made until the beginning of the war in 2071. The cost of a Vulture was in excess of 2 billion euros and the project was widely criticized as a white elephant. Its supporters countered that it was actually black, and that it would act as a force multiplier in very few numbers over any battlefield.

When the war of 2071 broke out, the theatre of war was too close to require the Vulturesí sub-orbital capacity, while the airspace of Eastern Europe proved dangerous in daylight missions, even with the Vulturesí high operational altitude and stealth characteristics. Operating at night, often without reliable low altitude targeting, the Vultureís role switched from precision strikes to cluster bombing. Ironically, that role would have been much more efficiently served by the canceled Vigilant, leading to the decision to develop a Vigilant Mark II in 2076. In 2073 production recommenced, producing another seven aircraft, roughly at the same rate of downings of existing Vultures by Russian interceptors. This trend earned for the Vulture the moniker B.U.N.I. (big, ugly ní immortal) from its crews.

A project to develop a smaller orbital vehicle that would launch from a Vulture in a sub-orbital trajectory, as a revival of the EUís manned space program, was canceled.


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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-20, 17:30

No. But if we're going to go with something pretty advanced like this, the P.S.S.A, Murmansk Sunset, and O.P.S.C. should be able to make similar things, in similar numbers.
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Post by Seleukos of Olympia on 2008-02-20, 17:36

Similar numbers, i.e. 20 of them. Sounds good to me. Although they aren't actually more useful that their cost in Eurofighters in the present war.

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Post by Alexios Komnenos on 2008-02-20, 17:40

Yeah. And as you say, it seems impractically expensive.
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Post by Seleukos of Olympia on 2008-02-20, 17:46

Its one advantage, in this conflict, is that it can operate above the missile shield (though it can still be hunted down by MiG-25 style interceptors).

The sub-orbital bomber has some sentimental value to me as a concept. The first game I ever modded was Civ2 (about 10 years ago), and I made a sub-orbital bomber unit, which looked kinda like the Vulture but with more straight wings. It was very, very expensive but could strike anywhere on the planet.

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Post by Raja Sagan the Caker on 2008-02-20, 17:50

also, although many states could possess a strategic bomber - that doesn't automatically mean that they all do (since they could choose to invest in something else Smile )

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Post by Seleukos of Olympia on 2008-02-20, 17:55

True. Europe today doesn't have a strategic bomber, although it could have if it invested in one. The change in circumstances after 2040 spurred the Europeans (mainly the British) to develop first the Vigilant and then the Vulture. But other mega-states could have reached similar strategic conclusions or just felt they had to keep up with the Europeans.

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